Episode 22: Douglas Levin
Entrepreneur Conundrum Podcast
Today we hear from Douglas Levin and learn about his Morning Marketing Machine – Where established Amazon and Shopify E-commerce sellers come to learn about proven marketing and chatbot principles, strategies, and tactics that help them build a real brand and grow their list.
Douglas has so many great things to share with us so tune in.
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About The Guest
I’m talking with Douglas Levin about how he teaches how to increase revenue with e-commerce.
Douglas was a professional drummer living in Chicago, Illinois, for about 10 years before starting to sell on Amazon in his spare time.
Since 2014, he’s done everything from arbitrage to wholesale to private label and eventually got enough money coming in that his wife could work full time for the company in preparation for the launch of his first brand.
Douglas started to become obsessed with chatbots and built up a messenger list of over twenty thousand subscribers, which led to over twenty thousand in monthly sales within the first three months of launch.
It also helped him to start building his brand away from Amazon.
Douglas currently lives in the Illinois suburbs with his wife and two stepsons.
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Virginia [00:00:01] Welcome to Entrepreneur Conundrum with Virginia PR. Where growing entrepreneurs share how they get visible online.
Virginia [00:00:09] Hi, everyone. I’m talking with Douglas Levin about how he teaches how to increase revenue with e-commerce. Douglas was a professional drummer living in Chicago, Illinois, for about 10 years before starting to sell on Amazon. In his spare time in 2014, he’s done everything from arbitrage to wholesale to private label and eventually got enough money coming in. That his wife could work full time for the company in preparation for the launch of his first brand. Douglas started to become obsessed with chatbots and built up a messenger list of over twenty thousand subscribers, which led to over twenty thousand in monthly sales within the first three months of launch. It also helped him to start building his brand away from Amazon. Douglas currently lives in the Illinois suburbs with his wife and two stepsons. Welcome, Douglas.
Douglas [00:00:55] Oh, thank you so much for having me on the show.
Virginia [00:00:57] I’m excited for you to be here today. Thanks for joining us. It should be great.
Virginia [00:01:03] So can you tell us, like, what inspired you to have that entrepreneurial spirit?
Douglas [00:01:12] Well, it really had nothing to do with the search for the spirit, I guess.
Douglas [00:01:17] Really, it was more miles and points more than anything as I was a when in 2014 when I started, I was not the entrepreneurial type at all. It was like the furthest thing from it. I was just a musician. Like playing at night and doing nothing during the day. And honestly, it was a good credit.
Douglas [00:01:44] And I was following those like traveling points, blogs that talk about like, oh, you can get a free trip or even get two percent cash back or any of those kinds of things if you have good credit. So it was that rabbit hole that I kind of went down where I think I was looking for my next trip. I don’t remember exactly what the situation was, but I came across one of those traveling points blog that was talking about reselling products on Amazon, and you can basically get three points by selling yourself there.
Douglas [00:02:16] So that was ultimately how I got started. I never thought it would be what it turned out to be. I didn’t really have that entrepreneurial spirit, I guess, at first, but it kind of turned into what it’s turned into.
Virginia [00:02:28] It’s crazy how events and life lead us to ultimately where we’re supposed to be. Hey.
Douglas [00:02:36] Yeah, yeah, definitely, I, I, I think if you were to talk to me in 2014 and you’re like, oh yeah, this is what you’re going to life is your life is gonna be like, really, I, I don’t know the first thing about business. How am I going to be at it for six years. That that that’s crazy. Yeah. Yeah. You gonna go down this hole like this Pathé. You never thought you would.
Douglas [00:02:58] Sometimes you find what we don’t expect.
Virginia [00:03:01] Well, that’s the purpose of life, right?
Douglas [00:03:03] I mean if you knew like I’m reminded like my stepsons. They play video games.
Douglas [00:03:09] And, if you had I think I like when I was a kid and I was playing like video games, I get the cheat code or you’re playing games and you can do things where you know everything that’s gonna happen and you can beat it. It’s not really that fun anymore. Right. When you’re actually. Going through things and you don’t know what to expect in your. And the unexpected is coming and how are you going to deal with that in all of these kind of fun opportunities that come up along the way? That’s what I like to think of in terms like that’s the fun of life.
Virginia [00:03:40] I agree. What do you like most about the work that you do?
Douglas [00:03:47] I mean, obviously the freedom is, I think, what a lot of people will say.
Douglas [00:03:51] The fact that.
Douglas [00:03:54] There’s days that I have stuff going on with family or something comes up or any of that kind of stuff and. OK, well, the business has to take backseat or there’s times I’ve got a project going on and I really want to push it. And then I can kind of dig deep in that. So, I mean, that’s the first thing they always think of. But honestly, I want things out lately that I’ve loved about it most is the way it’s. It’s making me the person I’m becoming because of it. Because I’ve dealt with a negative mindset most of my life, like I said, I was not a business owner, didn’t know the first thing about it. I’m still got a ways to get there. But I like through through business and through I had more recently to in terms of my path on business, the steps I’ve been taking and the person I’m becoming in terms of. Like how I want my life to be. And and that’s something that I really love about business, it’s it I find it fun. It’s still there’s still stressful times that always gonna come with that. There’s the ups and downs that every business and every business owner has to deal with. But I find a lot more fun now. And I like the way I like the person I’m becoming now.
Virginia [00:05:04] That’s fun, especially when you can see it in yourself.
Douglas [00:05:08] Yeah, well. Well, it really gets out of that thing. Like you. I know like us as as business owners, you’re like in it all the time and you look at, oh well, I haven’t done anything or I haven’t made any progress.
Douglas [00:05:20] And you’re looking at everything, like kind of the minutia of it all. But then if you actually, like, look out and try and look at yourself, I like where you’re at. Like that 50 thousand foot view like, say, a week, two weeks or like a month, two months out.
Douglas [00:05:33] And you actually look at it like, oh, well, actually didn’t make a lot of progress here.
Douglas [00:05:38] I did this and I did that. And all of these things that if you kind of celebrate those wins and you think about why you got started, like you kind of celebrate the journey, right.
Douglas [00:05:48] We don’t do that enough. And I know I don’t do that enough, honestly. Those are the things that make it fun to I mean, it makes you remember why you’re doing this in the first place.
Douglas [00:05:59] I like that celebrate the journey. I too, I’m guilty of it. That’s something I need to work more at.
Douglas [00:06:05] Yeah, I think a lot. A lot of businesses are.
Virginia [00:06:09] What are some common mistakes that you’re seeing your clients make in terms of like because we didn’t go with e-commerce specifically?
Douglas [00:06:18] Most brands are not very good at customer service. Brands are not. Understanding their customer very well. That makes it really difficult. Like I was that I’ve been selling on Amazon for about six years and I’ve also been zelon on our Web site and understand like basic marketing principles, like those kinds of things. And I’m amazed that, like the number of Amazon sellers that are honestly like sometimes seven and eight figures that don’t understand, like their ideal customer, like the basic marketing principles of like foundational strategies and and how to just be great at customer service. I think in like lead to like an amazing asset and an amazing experience for the customer.
Virginia [00:07:03] How do you go about solving those problems?
Douglas [00:07:06] Well, the first thing I usually say, like if if a a brand themselves is already selling, they already like are established, then the quick fix that usually helps is like I would say, I talk about Chapin’s a lot setup.
Douglas [00:07:22] Take five minutes. Honestly, it only takes five or 10 minutes to set up like a customer service bot so that it connects to both your Facebook brand page and your website where they can reach out to you with any questions. And you can automate the process where you’re going to get notified immediately.
Douglas [00:07:40] You or somebody on your team is going to get notified immediately whenever there is any type of issue that comes up.
Douglas [00:07:45] And now you’re going to be reaching out to them immediately because the way it works like now and this is something I think a lot more brick and mortar stores, but some e-commerce sellers still don’t understand the concept that it’s changed a lot, how the customer is and how we as a society are in the last 10, 20, 30 years. We want immediate gratification, like it’s as if I mean, if you’ve ever had an issue with a product, you want that resolved immediately. I know I’ve heard like Russell runs and Click Funnel as they talk about our average attention span of seven seconds.
Douglas [00:08:22] Now, if you’re not getting to them as quickly as possible, they’re already starting to think of that bad experience and they’re going to write that bad review. They’re going to look badly upon you and do everything they can to bad mouth your brand. But if your if you’re putting things steps in place and an jackpot’s are an easy way to do that from the customer service, that standpoint of it, then you can reach out to them and solve that problem for them. This is actually something that I’ve seen a lot of brands do that are successful is they understand that honestly, a customer that has a bad experience, but it leads to amazing customer service. They’ve turned that customer around and now that customer is their raving fan. They’re like your your your best, your ambassador, your evangelist, like they’re going to, like, follow you to the ends of the earth. And it’s a really simple thing to do. Like, you don’t take two weeks to get back to them.
Douglas [00:09:21] You set up like a chatbot in five or ten minutes and then just respond really quickly and just giving great, amazing customer service and like that can be something as simple as, oh, I’m so sorry you had a problem with this. We’re going to send you out a replacement. Maybe here’s a free gift. If there’s an issue with them, they just don’t like it for whatever reason. Like, let them keep the product. Try and think of something else you can give them that’s related or that’s going to help them. I mean, if you’re actually putting in the work to try and give them a great experience. Worst case scenario, they’re just not going to like your product and they won’t bad about you, but they’ll stay. They’ll say amazing things about your customer service. But if you’re actually doing it like this, some of the steps I’m talking about, you can turn them into amazing fans of you.
Douglas [00:10:06] It’s amazing how. Something like that, like just focusing on the customer service and helping them out that way. Like you said, like there’s such raving fans after that where before they can, they’re OK. But now they’re like, dude, they’re awesome.
Douglas [00:10:21] Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Big time. I know. Well, we started launching our first product at that point. Yeah. That was one of the things that. Is so easy to do for brands like, OK, you’re starting off and. You don’t have the budget of Amazon. You don’t have the budget of a Nike or Adidas or Apple or any of those things, and it’s always a question you get to read like like, well, how can I can keep with those guys? And customer service is always the easiest little pay. I mean, it doesn’t take any money. I mean, you put in a little bit of time and you genuinely care about their experience and you just gonna put in the work. That’s it. I mean, it’s not too complicated. And it. I mean, if you look at the reason, honestly, why Amazon is where they are, obviously, yes. They’re a data-driven company and then everything else that goes with it. And they’re run by insanely smart people. But they’re about the customer like customer, first customer or second customer third everybody else laughs. And I mean, you can’t go wrong with that kind of other strategy.
Virginia [00:11:23] Who is your ideal Customer or client? You mentioned e-commerce. But is there an ideal person?
Douglas [00:11:31] Well, if I’m talking obviously specifically about like people that I work with, like other like Cellar’s and other other brands, it’s usually brands that are more established. So if we’re dealing with people that say like Amazon, like Amazon sellers, I don’t typically look to work with people that are looking to get started again. I’m willing to help you, but my ideal customer is more like I establish there. They’ve got a brand there. They’re selling on Amazon. They’re doing pretty well. They’re making a living at it. But they don’t understand, like, the marketing aspects of it. They’ve probably dealt with if you deal with Amazon and you had been on the planet for more for more than five minutes, you understand that like any other platform, there’s pluses and minuses. It’s an amazing platform and I love it. But there’s the issues because it’s not your customer. It’s not your traffic.
Douglas [00:12:26] It’s an amazing traffic source. And I still use it to this day. And I’m going to continue to use it because it’s an amazing platform. It’s the 500-pound gorilla. You can’t avoid it. There are some headaches that come with it where it also leads to a lot of stress.
Douglas [00:12:43] I know I’ve dealt with this. I know a lot of bike friends of mine and a lot of colleagues of Binzel out on the platform who had dealt with those same headaches. They’re looking for a way for like to diversify that risk. So there they can get more revenue. They can start to own the customer. They can not deal with that stress as much and increase their profitability. And that’s ideally what I’m looking for, is like those are the kinds of people that are my ideal customer where I can kind of go into, like the marketing strategies that are going to help them, different things that are going to help them to own the on their customer to increase their profit margins.
Douglas [00:13:19] All of those kinds of things that honestly, a lot of Amazon sellers aren’t thinking about as much because Amazon is a great way to make a lot of money.
Douglas [00:13:29] But at the end of the day, it’s not your customer. You’re always kind of navigating those waters.
Virginia [00:13:34] How is your ideal client? Find out about you.
Douglas [00:13:38] They can reach out to me. Email is always easy. I’m on Facebook all the time.
Virginia [00:13:48] So what do you do to get out in front of your ideal client? Like, if I’m just walking down the street, how do I find you?
Douglas [00:13:59] But I’m still working on it, honestly. I will say, like I’ve talked to a lot of friends, that I needed help with this and that’s kind of how I got started with it all. Terms of like the helping other business owners. But I’m still honestly working on that.
Douglas [00:14:15] I, I know faith groups are great in terms of kind of getting out in front of people, honestly being providing a lot of valuable content and helping people with what they need issues it with. It’s been a lot of what I’ve kind of done. Like I usually, like, prove that I’m not some guru or some kind of person who hasn’t actually done it. Those kinds of things are some of the things that I’ve been trying to do just to, like, show, OK, he’s actually doing it. He’s not just some fly by night guy. I guess that’s, I guess, some of the stuff I can think of.
Virginia [00:14:46] Well, did you get stuff? Do you get referrals in case clients through the stuff you do on YouTube? I got here posting and stuff.
Douglas [00:14:56] Yeah, we’ve got some that way. Yeah. There’s been obviously like we do a lot of it on YouTube with the Facebook group and other friends as well that we talked to where. Yeah. It’s been that kind for all. Routt has been honestly a lot of it yet as well. Some, a lot of networking has been helpful as well as I’ve kind of been out there more like it’s all thing of, I guess, the good part of the virus.
Douglas [00:15:22] If there’s any real good part. And I don’t think there really is has been since I can’t go to conferences like that was obviously that’s always a great way to network as conferences and there’s no conferences going on. So by being on on my podcast, like yours or or kind of reaching out to other people in the Amazon space or or that no marketing in places like that, it’s been a great place to kind of network and and start to talk to other people. That was like, oh, yeah. I thought, Doug, because I was talking to so-and-so and then those turned into referrals, obviously. And it’s great because at that point, like Ultimate, the end of the day, like my purpose is to be able to help people. So it it gives me that satisfaction when I’m getting a referral or whatever it is that I’m trying to do, worry honestly. If I’m stuck, if somebody reaches out to me through a Facebook mess, p.m. or something and they’re having some kind of question and I’m able to help them solve that problem and it only takes me like three minutes or something, but it’s going to have a lasting impact on them. That’s ultimately what makes me feel really great in terms of being able to help people.
Virginia [00:16:28] That’s cool. And it’s like, you know, you’re doing something right that you’re helping people when they’re giving you referrals.
Douglas [00:16:36] Yeah, yeah, definitely. It’s these are great, a great feeling. And it’s great.
Virginia [00:16:43] What are a couple big goals that you’re looking to achieve over the next one to two years?
Douglas [00:16:49] Well, I would say I am looking at it, I guess, on two sides.
Douglas [00:16:55] Well, honestly, there’s three sides, I’ll say. I’m looking at it from the business perspective of like helping people, obviously, like helping e-commerce business owners and also on our brand side in terms of some stuff we’re looking to do. And then also personally, in terms of goals I got for the helping people sign. I’m looking to help ideally off like one hundred people, like we’re where I can really, really help them now. Yes. I mean, I do stuff every day.
Douglas [00:17:24] Where will obviously if people see me or if I got content out there or any of that kind of thing was helpful but actually helped. Like when I got like a one on one or whatever it is where I can. Really helped them. So like some of those stresses that I talked about earlier, some of those problems that they’re having kind of take like level up their business and give them that freedom and diversity that they’re looking for.
Douglas [00:17:50] I’d say like that’s that’s one of the big goals on that side of it brand side. I want to I’m still looking at, I guess, how I want to look at it from like a numbers standpoint. So it’s measurable, but I think I want to probably start in the next five years. I want to start five brands or one a year. And on the personal side, I have a vision of where I want my life to be with my family and the life that I want to lead. And then and that’s where that’s a longer-term goal.
Douglas [00:18:20] I think obviously I have some numbers in mind for the next, say, one year, three years, five years. That’s a longer-term vision in terms of what I want my life to be like.
Virginia [00:18:30] Those five businesses that you want to do. Is that different types of e-commerce businesses?
Douglas [00:18:35] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It’s gonna be. That’s what I’m looking at.
Virginia [00:18:40] So what would those goals do to change your business? How would it change it?
Douglas [00:18:47] It would, assuming that I can get these systems and processes in place so I can manage it. It would have a lasting impact. I mean, in terms of ultimately. Yes. Whenever I’m starting anything you want to be profitable, right? I mean, that’s anytime you’re doing anything with businesses about you have to have a profitable business or you’re going to go under a lot of what I like to do in terms of starting any type of brands I’m going to do is I don’t really do the need to type products. I do like products that are actually solving problems.
Douglas [00:19:18] So if I can create five different brands in five different sets of products that are helping in different niches, then it’s going to be in terms of what it’s going to do to help people and those niches. I think that’s going to give us like selfishly, it’s going to be great. Give me a sense, a great sense of satisfaction.
Douglas [00:19:40] But in terms of the idea, that’s going to hopefully, if I do it right, obviously, hopefully, help five different groups of ideal customers to solve their problem. Because I know, like when we launched our first product, it was because there was a problem with that was out there and people were not able to solve that problem for a good amount of people. So being able to do that is how has been amazing in terms of like like how it makes me feel honestly and what is being able to do for other people. So if I could do that for five different sets of audiences, then that’s going to give me like like amazing for lack of a better word, I would say in terms of like the feeling that we would be for me and for obviously like ideally for those audiences as well.
Virginia [00:20:30] Yeah, it would be motivational to write. Oh, definitely. What do you think? Make your number one roadblock is helping you achieve those goals.
Douglas [00:20:41] The brand side. It’s going to be system and processes more than anything. I mean, that’s something that a lot of people don’t look at as much.
Douglas [00:20:49] I mean, it’s the whole thing of when you’re starting off a business, you don’t know what you don’t know. So then you just want to get started. You make five thousand mistakes. Or at least I know I did and I still do.
Douglas [00:21:00] And then you hopefully get better at it.
Douglas [00:21:03] And then you kind of learn the next thing along the road to really be able to scale your business and get to the point that I’m obviously looking to do in terms of five brands in five years. I know that that takes having like a streamlined process for everything. Being able to outsource as much of the tasks that aren’t necessary, like a high value task as necessary. Like, if I don’t do that, then that is going to be the biggest roadblock on the way to that goal. So it’s really about really validating whatever the idea is for that brand. Those that of products in that niche. But then from there, obviously testing. Sure. That you come up with scalable processes or if you don’t, obviously, then that’s going to be the biggest detriment to your success.
Douglas [00:21:52] And I think something to think of two is that.
Virginia [00:21:56] Just because you want five businesses in five years doesn’t mean that you need one business every year because it’s going to take you two years to get your systems in place on that first business or. And then after that, the other ones are just more boom, boom, boom. Because you have everything in place that is just a copy and plug and go. Right.
Douglas [00:22:18] Right. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like anything else you’re doing. I mean, like, obviously when I first started doing selling on Amazon and things, there were stuff I didn’t understand, didn’t know at all. And you were struggling with it. And then you start to I don’t know if I’d ever say Nassr anything, but you get better at it. And then the next time you’re doing it, it’s that much quicker and it keeps getting faster and better and more optimized over time. And yeah, you might struggle with something for two or three years and then finally got it down through all of your trials and tribulations and overcoming those roadblocks and stumbles all the way. And now it’s it just turns into, okay, now I’ve got a great process of a system for it. And now we can scale it and run it across these many brands or these many Uber or whatever it is that you’re doing at that point. So, yeah, definitely set up.
Virginia [00:23:07] What’s the best advice you have ever received?
Douglas [00:23:11] It was actually pretty recent. It was a book I read called The Twelve we hear that I read pretty recently. It was to make sure that your business aligned with your personal vision. I had it backwards for my entire life. My entire business life. I was always focusing on the business first and. All right, I’ve got a grind. I got to do this. I got you had all these other things. And then as a result of that, I would have a hard time in terms of taking time for a family or taking time away from business so I could relax or any of those other things that go into life honestly, like it was all about the business. And it was very stressful. Honestly, once I kind of got that in terms of like make your business align with your vision versus the other way around. That was kind of like the big moment. There’s like I’m doing this wrong, at least for me. The whole reason I got into business in the first place, it was obviously it wasn’t in at the time.
Douglas [00:24:11] I didn’t have a family and I wasn’t with my now wife. But the idea is it’s for more freedom is for happiness is for contentment so that you can live the life that you want to live.
Douglas [00:24:22] And when I’m.
Douglas [00:24:25] Not really living my life and in being with the people that I love because I’ve got to work 20 hours a day or whatever it is on my business. Then that’s a problem. At least that is for me. I mean, some people are very happy with that lifestyle and that’s fine for them. But for me, that was an issue. So when I read that, that was the biggest turning point for me that I can remember honestly in the last three to six months where it’s like, OK, I really suck at this, but what can I do so that I can have my business aligned with my personal life more than the other way around. And that has been a big change for me. And it’s like I said, I’m still working on it. There’s times that all I’ll still want to grind or whatever it is when it’s like, oh, well, I. I should be taking time away now. I should take the day off or bring time with my wife and stepson or whatever it is like. I know. I assume that’s gonna be a struggle for a while, but I know I’m working towards that. And that was I think the biggest piece of advice I got pretty lately.
Virginia [00:25:26] I really like that advice. And I know that you’re not alone because I have that, too.
Virginia [00:25:33] Best advice that you have ever given?
Douglas [00:25:36] I would say it’s to e-commerce owners in general and I’m not sure how I got this room. I sold it to a few people. And I think it does make a difference when you’re looking at marketing specifically is understand that any product that you’re trying to sell is just trying to solve someone’s problem. So. Yeah, you want to. This is the greatest gadget ever because of this feature and this feature and this feature and no one cares about that. All they care about is I have a problem.
Douglas [00:26:06] And are you going to help me solve this problem? And that’s what your product should ultimately do. If your product is not solving a problem, then there’s no reason to have it. So always look at anything you’re trying to sell, whether it’s a service or physical product or anything as. All right. How does this all somebody’s problem? And if you look at it from that perspective, then you’re going to be helpful. Right. You’re not just gonna be trying to sell them crap anymore. And at that point, you’re actually giving them real value because you can start now start to think about. All right. Well, if they have problem X. Well, I’ve identified that it’s with this problem. What can help them? What can solve this problem? Well, if I’m digging deeper, I can see a, b, c, d, e, f, g.
Douglas [00:26:56] All these things are going to be something that can help them to solve that problem.
Douglas [00:27:01] And maybe those are different products I’m going to provide to them, as just kind of making that shift. You think about it from that perspective. Ultimately is honestly all business ever. Is it? If you think about it from that perspective, you’ll be giving your customers a lot more value and they’ll be a lot happier with it.
Virginia [00:27:17] I like created faith. Think, what would you like to share that I haven’t asked you yet?
Douglas [00:27:24] I don’t have to. There’s too much. Honestly, I think the biggest thing really with any of this, I would say is it all comes down your mindset. I would say like that has been a number one factor for me in terms of where I’ve gotten to, where I’ve gotten and where I was at.
Douglas [00:27:42] The more I get into this in terms of business is that it’s like 90 percent of the game is honestly mindset. It like it doesn’t matter where you’re selling or what you’re selling when you’re in business, it’s. It’s not that different. It’s mostly just about. All right. I’ve identified a niche. I’ve identified.
Douglas [00:28:02] I’m kind of a problem. How am I going to solve it? And ideally, your product solves that. And then you just kind of follow up like a fifty thousand foot like level. That’s all business ever is. And then you want to be profitable, obviously, in terms of the mindset piece. That’s we’re really where all of that progress happens. If you’re not putting in the work and like actual work because that negative mindset is creeping in, then you’re going to be things that need to get done. You’re going to look at everything from the perspective of I’m a fraud and I and I can’t get this to work or I just can’t. I can’t. I can’t do this. And I dealt with it. And it’s something I dealt with, honestly, until the last six to 12 months where it was always something that was in my head. But once you make that shift and you can figure out different triggers that help you, different things that can help you from a mindset aspect to get over those stumbling blocks in your head when those negative mind like thoughts get into your head, how are you going to deal with it? How are you going to overcome that? That, I think, is where the most progress is made. That’s ultimately what can lead you to being seven, eight, nine figure business owners more than anything. And that’s where a lot of the higher level people that I talked to mentors other business owners. They don’t real. They don’t care about the tactics as much anymore because, yeah, they’ve got stuff that makes them successful. But it ultimately, like all of the masterminds that they’re in, like where they’re playing, they’re paying like 30, 50 hundred thousand dollars a year is about mindset. And it’s about how can I level up my mindset so that I can have a better life so that my business can run better. Different aspects of their life. That’s ultimately, I think what is really the big the biggest driver in your success.
Virginia [00:29:55] It’s kind of crazy how much your mindset plays a role in what you do and how you do it and what your outcome is.
Douglas [00:30:04] It’s crazy if you actually look at where you are and where you were and everything that kind of goes into it. I mean, it’s really all about mindset.
Virginia [00:30:13] Thank you so much for being here today. How can people find out more about you and what you do?
Douglas [00:30:21] Oh, yeah.
Virginia [00:30:22] Thank you so much for coming on.
Douglas [00:30:23] It is a pleasure talking to you. So anyone that’s listening that wants to learn more, say, about Chapas or marketing or anything along those lines, they can contact me on Facebook at Douglas in for a reach the top five tips for taking full control over your e-commerce income. You can also follow me on. My channel is morning marketing machine. And if I can help you in any way at all, please feel free to reach out.
Virginia [00:30:49] Great. Thanks again. Have a great day.
Virginia [00:30:58] Thank you so much for joining us today. Be sure to subscribe and leave some left through a review and I’ll catch you on the next episode.
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